Angry white grrr grrr

Who built this country, Blockhead? It wasn't minorities. They were, and are by definition, "minorities". It was those old, white men that you're so quick to criticize. If it weren't for the old, white men you wouldn't be living in the best country on this planet. But in all likelihood, you don't have enough gray matter upstairs to realize that.

It's to bad we old white men can't muster a forward looking roster like the democrats. Jefferson Davis, Stonewall Jackson,Robert E Lee, George Wallace and every single grand wizzard who ever put on a white hood.
How soon we forget.

DOn't forget Sen. Byrd

say hello to the party of the saggy white grannies.

"offer vouchers that don't increase in value and become a school system for the poor. "

What a crock. School vouchers have been shown to work well in Milwaukee WI for the past 20+ years. They are also used in many European countries...

Here are some average citizens supporting school vouchers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V34kYMm82oo

Not exactly a bunch of old white men..

School vouchers are a failure. They are destroying public schools in Louisiana

@Ray - Public schools are a failure. They are nothing more than petri dishes of mediocrity. To much money, to little product.

How do you expect disfunctional government to run and manage functional schools? When a blind man leads a blind man, do they not both fall off the cliff?

It is time for the American people to demand better. That demand will only be satisfied by the private sector eductation fostering competition. It is time for the cream to rise to the top.

> Public schools are a failure. They are nothing more than petri dishes
> of mediocrity. To much money, to little product.

"To (sic) much money, to (sic) little product."

And where did *YOU* get your obviously-top-notch education?

Joe, public schools are a failure because Republicans don't want society to be educated or well paid. They like them in debt (health care and education), less educated (NH GOP lowered drop out age to 16, cut kindergarten and fund less for education, and want bigger classrooms), want families to have too many kids (contraceptive and anti-abortionists) so the people will be too poor and exausted to pay attention or have time to care when the Republicans deregulate and rob people blind. After dozens of years where developing nations out rate us on education, you choose to quote Milwaukee 's school system? ha ha.

In her inaugural address, one of NH's Democratic Gov. Maggie Hassan’s most applauded comments was: "Cutting state support for public education in half while lowering the tobacco tax two years ago was short-sighted. …We must begin to reverse course." Would you support raising the state tobacco tax back to its pre-2011 rate to help fund public education? Thank a republican for those cuts to education and tax breaks for the tobacco companies.

Go back to your liberal cubby hole and congratulate yourself on supporting the most destructive president in US history.

Proud Conservative doesn't know the meaning of conservative http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05/24/who-is-the-smallest-government-spender-since-eisenhower-would-you-believe-its-barack-obama/

Last I checked, they were all women and no binders needed. Nice try though. Hard to accept for an old white guy?

Vinny:

I don't want to end "the bipartisan divide". I see *NO VALUE WHATSOEVER* in the current Teapublican politics advocated by the current Republican Party and their spokespersons (definitely *INCLUDING* Ms. Horn). I think government serves many useful purposes and does not need to be "drowned in a bathtub". I think all humans deserve equal rights and government can help facilitate that. And I think a government that serves the many is better than a government that serves the very, very few.

I want to see the Tea Party absolutely crushed, a sane Republican Party re-emerge to occupy the center right and I want to see the Democratic Party move back from center-right to the center-left where they belong.

Mr jan wants socialism, he just won't write it here.

Mike:

> Mr jan wants socialism, he just won't write it here.

If by "socialism" you mean the European model where people, merely by being citizens of their country, are entitled to education and health care, and a modicum of food and housing, why yes, then I *AM* for that sort of socialism and I'll be *HAPPY* to say it here!

I never understand why so many American "Christians" are opposed to all that stuff that their god-on-Earth called for and instead feel that their role is to further comfort the comfortable and afflict the afflicted.

> Not surprised by the nastiness, name calling and ad hominem attacks here...

At least we haven't brought up the $92,000 lien that the IRS holds against Ms. Horn's house. ;-)

> She is an intelligent, hard-working, conservative, woman.

She may be intelligent and hard-working but she's no "conservative". A person who is conservative doesn't end up $92,000 in hock to the IRS.

Name calling, ad hominem?

What names were used to describe Ms. Horn?

You can't tell the difference from people attacking GOP policy from ad hominem.

Ha ha, nervous? Did you see what happened this past election? We got more votes than needed, got many women and minorities elected, etc. Romney's many contradicting statements and insults, Fox News being busted for lies time and time again and kicked out of Canada because they don't follow basic broadcasting news rules and lie too much, and your suppressed GOP women who serve the old GOP white men who continuously attacked women's issues such as birth control, abortion and rape have distroyed your party. We feel like we are on top of the world after this past election! This could not have been a better year; not sure if you heard but we re-elected a black man and he won by a good margin even after all the GOP voting suppressing efforts and Carl Rove's attempts at election cheating! What reason would we have to be nervous? The Democrats didn't degrade any minorities or suppress any votes. You obviously haven't watched Fox News much if you think you are the most responsible party and help the unfortunate and the needy....helping would be entitlements and the Republican party won't stand for that. Fighting for abortion but once the children are born they look the other way. You fight for life, but not for universal health care....so the second they are born, you are OK if they die because getting health care would be an entitlement...doesn't make any sense.

"[B]ecause Republicans don't want society to be educated or well paid." This might be the single dumbest statement I have ever read on Windham Patch, and that is saying a lot given the usual rantings. Please admit that you are trying to inflame emotions and simply insult those with views that are opposed to yours.

Look at the bills they write Michael and the trail of money that follows them...it speaks volumes....right out of the pope's playbook...encourage people to have lots of kids so it will keep them busy working and much in debt, tell women with lots of children how "holy" they are and that they'll surely be going to heaven...oh, but only if you give 10% to your church, even though you are poor and can barely feed yourselves or else bad things will happen...only good things happen to people who give 10%!

Or she could have just paid the taxes she owes (as most of us routinely do).

"lowlife" and "drunken" tells me exactly what level of conversation we are having..... oh and by the way....with the GOP motto of "protect life at conception" but don't give them universal health care is contradictary...they don't make any sense whatsoever...it's like saying "protect the fetus and it's OK to let it die".....nope, when I moved to Louisiana, I thought I was in a third world country because I had just left Ethiopia. You need to travel around your own country first and see exactly what's going on before you say some of our people have it better than third world countries... I had to feed and clothes my Louisiana students as a teacher. Denial is a big factor in the republican party because they don't like to mix with the peasants in the public schools or walk/live anywhere near poor neighborhoods to even begin to understand what some people go through....but they do want them to have more babies...go figure!

Aplejack, you are way off topic buddy....raising kids conversations are happening elsewhere on another site....welcome to politics and Jennifer Horn.

I'm assuming you are a man, since you are too blind to see that your party is attacking women constantly with their definitions of rape, contraceptions, not voting for equal pay for women, etc.Most Republican women I know are repulsed by their party; that's how I'm sure you are a man.Again, look at the bills Republicans have introduced and follow the money. Simple enough; no false claims, just denial on your part.Did you know that the NH GOP tried to cut kindergarten, they lowered the drop out age to 16, gave tax breaks to tobacco and cut the funds to education in half? Defunding planned parenthood, a bill brought up by old white men who don't have a uterus or have a clue what it means to raise a child alone, give birth, carry a baby for nine months, understands complications that come with child birth and what it does to your body afterwards? Do you have to go pee every 5min because you had your second baby? No?That's because you've never had one, yet the old GOP white guys keep attacking women. If you don't want to be dependant,then stay away from our tax payer's libraries, post offices, get off our tax payers' roads, don't call our tax payers' police or fire departments,refuse unemployment or social security if something ever happens to your job or health, etc.Go and be free! I"m sure you have a "personal accountability plan" for people with special needs,disabled,or the mental health people, or did you decide they don't deserve entitlements just because they are born?

@Sonia - And when did YOU decide that people "deserve entitlements just because they are born?"

Sonia, if you spent less time writing in the Patch and more time putting your money where your mouth is by making additional "contributions" in the way of a check every now and then to wasteful Washington, maybe you alone could fund all those who YOU deem worthy of "entitlements".

Not that I have any opinion about people who judge that the "rest of us" should be paying for all their "bleeding heart liberal" causes.

@Sonia,
I am a man. I hope many might think a pretty caring and good man.
The idiotic remarks made buy a few fools does not a party define. They were ostracized by the party and rightfully so.
I am fine with personal choice regarding birth control but I don't think it should be either a) taxpayer funded nor mandated to be funded by some entity that has a track record of it being against their beliefs, such as the Catholic Church as an employer. That's not anti-woman, only religious freedom. If the employee doesn't like it, they can find employment elsewhere.
Abortion, again personal choice. Rowe V. Wade is with us forever and no GOP attempts would change that...those are basic scare tactics by the left. However, no abortion should be taxpayer funded. That would be illegal use of tax dollars. Planned Parenthood wouldn't be at risk of losing tax dollars if they just agreed to not use tax dollars for abortions...very simple.
There is nothing anti-woman there-every woman should have a right to here body but they shouldn't be using my tax dollars to do it!

No I haven't given birth but have been a son, brother, uncle, father and grandfather. Each of these has allowed me to participate and witness the birth process (every step of the way). I have helped family in the unenviable position of being in a one-parent circumstance.
And, I even come from a family that benefited from government assistance. I have been more fortunate in life yet I believe in safety nets; however, I abhor abuse of the system.
I pay a lot of money, some would argue too much, due to a progressive tax system. And I will continue to pay until the tax code is improved.
Of course, infrastructure is important but Pork (by both parties) should be eliminated. As for all those other things you mention, I personally pay for all of those things (libraries, postal service, etc...even unemployment, however, figure this. Because I own my company, I will never be able to collect the unemployment for which I pay for myself and all of the employees that I contribute for! Crazy, huh?

Don't you see the hypocrisy of the term "old, white guy?" It is offensive, ageist and racist all at the same time!
There a millions of fine women in the GOP today and it is a blatant misrepresentation that the legislation is mean-spirited. It just differs from your philosophy.

Lastly, regarding special needs, mentally disabled, etc... I hope that we can maximize every tax dollar to truly help these people and their families because they truly need it!
I just want to ensure that the other rampant abuse by those in our society is eliminated! There are far too many people receiving "entitlements" that either a) don't need it, or b) abuse it!
It's actually a pretty simple concept. I am not too sure why someone would have a problem with that!

Aplejack, you are in denial, yes "Old white men" trying to control women and their bodies/choices. Did you see who your party leader appointed for chairs of committees? All old white men....not even joking here! After he got the complaints, he finally changed one guy and appointed a woman he had to search for in a binder.

Aplejack, if that's really what you want for the disabled, then you are in the wrong party. The GOP cut a ton of services to special needs people. They keep picking on the vulnerable for cuts.

You should know because you are a woman who went there and have all the paperwork about exactly what they do all day? Seriously misinformed. Turn off Fox News.

If you are so proud, why don't you show your name "Proud" conservative? Show a little pride.

@ PC

Turn off Limbaugh. He's not doing you any favors.

Planned Parenthood is an outstanding organization. One which has PREVENTED more unwanted pregnancies than any hellfire minister ever has.

"...abortion services account for about 3 percent of Planned Parenthood’s activities. That’s less than cancer screening and prevention (16 percent), STD testing for both men and women (35 percent), and contraception (also 35 percent). About 80 percent of Planned Parenthood’s users are over age 20, and 75 percent have incomes below 150 percent of the poverty line. Planned Parenthood itself estimates it prevents more than 620,000 unintended pregnancies each year, and 220,000 abortions."

"...if Planned Parenthood loses funding, what will mainly happen is that cancer screenings and contraception and STD testing will become less available to poorer people. Folks with more money, of course, have many other ways to receive all these services, and tend to get them elsewhere already."

"The services Planned Parenthood provides save the federal government a lot of money. It’s somewhat cold to put it in these terms, but taxpayers end up bearing a lot of the expense for unintended pregnancies among people without the means to care for their children. The same goes for preventable cancers and sexually transmitted diseases such as HIV/AIDS."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/post/what-planned-parenthood-actually-does/2011/04/06/AFhBPa2C_blog.html

In its latest annual report for fiscal year 2011 to 2012, Planned Parenthood reveals that it performed 333,964 abortions in 2011 – a record year for the organization.

According to annual reports, the organization performed 332,278 abortions in 2009, 329,445 in 2010, making the total number of abortions in three years to 995,687.

Planned Parenthood reported receiving $542 million in taxpayer funding in the form of government grants, contracts, and Medicaid reimbursements. The amount is 45 percent of Planned Parenthood’s annual revenue.

Contraceptive services at Planned Parenthood have dropped by 12 percent since 2009, and cancer screening & prevention services have dropped by 29 percent.

Dear Proud Conservative, probably a man, who prides himself on protecting the fetus. How many of these precious fetus did you adopt? Many were unwanted and you are happy that they can no longer abort them. Since you are the high moral ground guy, how many of these fetus did you adopt? Or like most hypocrite pro-lifers, looked the other way the second they were born, regardless if they are neglected, abused, suffer because their parents are either unfit and do not have the means or mental health to care for a child. They are all sitting in foster care waiting for uncle "Proud Conservative" who pushed for them to be born and come rescue them because he cares so much. How many did you adopt?

Proud Conservative is proud to stop people from getting contraception and abortion, which means he can offer to pay $300 000 per child's life that he saved because he's such a great guy.....oh and now our taxes go up because all these unwanted children are being born...I'm sure you love paying higher taxes right Proud Conservative...have you done the math yet on how many lives you've fought to save and pay for yet? Put your money where your mouth is and be "proud" of what you are accomplishing by fighting for the unborn.

And your source for these amazing statistics is?

So surely you can provide a link?

Nice try Proud conservative....Canada’s Radio Act requires that “a licenser may not broadcast … It's illegal in Canada to broadcast any false or misleading news.” The provision has kept Fox News and right-wing talk radio out of Canada and helped make Canada a model for liberal democracy and freedom. As a result of that law, Canadians enjoy high quality news coverage, including the kind of foreign affairs and investigative journalism that flourished in this country before Ronald Reagan abolished the “Fairness Doctrine” in 1987.
http://current.com/community/93886320_fox-news-banned-in-canada-its-illegal-to-broadcast-lies-and-label-it-news-according-to-canadian-law.htm

Sonia - here's a link to the snopes page that emphatically says FOX is not banned from Canada. FOX does indeed broadcast in Canada and is carried by the cable providers I mentioned earlier. Why don't you stop regurgitating the liberal lies? If you knew how foolish you sound most of the time, you'd disappear from these boards out of sheer embarrassment. Trying to have a discussion with you is like trying to reason with a one year old that he shouldn't crap in his diaper.

They didn't change their braodcast rules to accommodate Fox; the CRTC declined to change their regulations that prohibit broadcasting "false and misleading news from television or radio news licensees that would endanger or likely to endanger the lives, health or safety of the public.Instead the CRTC had to "approve an application" to bring in the Fox News Channel digital television line ups. Not exactly a compliment for their news,only their series. Fox lies: Cropping quotes from President Obama,VP Biden & Gore so they appear out of context, using image-manipulation software to edit the appearance of reporters from The NY Times and using footage from other events during a report on the Nov 5 Tea Party rally in Washington, D.C.;the intention of Fox News was to make it appear as if a larger number of protesters attended the event. Also accused for the Dec 4 ediction of Fox and Friends program of misleading its viewers with a "questionable graphic" showing the result of a Rasmussen Reports climate-change poll totaling 120 percent.In November '09 Fox News Gregg Jarrett told viewers that a Sarah Palin book signing in Michingan had a massive turnout, showing footage of Palin with a large crowd.Jarrett stated that the former Rep. VP candidate is "continuing to draw huge crowds while she's promoting her new book",adding that the images being shown were live "pictures just coming in to us this morning" The video was actually taken from a 2008 McCain-Palin campaign rally.

steve forte:

> The reason some are opposed to it is that they dont mind paying for it for
> themselves , but to have to pay for it for others gets kinda expensive.

But Christ never said: "Let the poor pay for it themselves!" Instead, he said things like:

(Luke 3:11) "If you have two coats," he replied, "give one to the poor. If you have extra food, give it away to those who are hungry."

Where do folks get this idea that they get a "get-out-of-Hell-free" card because "hav[ing] to pay it for others gets kinda expensive"?

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N.B.: I'm *NOT* a Christian but I note that most of the people that I meet who think they're being cute/clever/appropriately-insulting by calling me a "socialist" do *CLAIM* to be Christians so it's for this reason why I wonder how they reconcile their scriptures with their behavior.

Sure!

> Well Im not one either so your response means nothing to me.
> Wanna try again for us non cristians?

All you folks who think you have no obligation to pay *ANYTHING* to live in our society are nothing but greedy "takers"; I wish we could set up a place called Libertaria where you could go live out your dream.

How's that? More to your taste? ;-)

@Atlant - I like it when you forcefully address the 47% who PAY NO TAXES! Those who "think you have no obligation to pay *ANYTHING* to live in our society are nothing but greedy "takers".

Joe:

> I like it when you forcefully address the 47% who PAY NO TAXES!

Don't be stupid. *NOBODY* in our society pays "no taxes". Romney's famously-fallacious "47%" number addressed people who pay no Federal Income Taxes. But even people in that 47% probably pay some set of:

o Property taxes (directly or indirectly through a landlord)
o Wage taxes (Social Security and Medicare)
o Sales taxes (including NH's "Rooms and Meal" tax)
o Gasoline taxes
o etc.

@Atlant - I'm simply showing the same empathy you show for those who pay in excess of 35% in total taxes on their gross income and yet, in your estimation and in that of the fools who listen to the demagogues of the left, they're not paying their "fair share."

BTW, wouldn't we all like to, as you say; "probably pay some set of:..." instead of always paying "full fare" and still find ourselves being seated "in coach".

Atlant..... there are people right here in New Hampshire living on welfare and food stamps who, because they are not working, pay no FICA or Medicare tax. They don't own a car, so they pay no personal property or gasoline tax. Welfare pays for their housing, their medical, their transportation, their clothing, their food, and their utilities. And there are a lot more people living off your money than you imagine.

Unfortunately, they all forget rather quickly.
Were it not for "old, white men", this would be just one more third world country!
And still the majority contributor in taxes to support the current confiscatory, entitlement burden!

"I don't think most people object to helping those who are truly needy. But that's a small percentage of those sucking on the taxpayers' teat."
It is amazing how far removed from reality that statement is.

There isn't an ounce of evidence to support your completely backwards statement.

Proud:

> Christ never said give to those who are too damn lazy to do
> anything for themselves.

Okay, where's your exception in the Bible? Remember, it's got to be in the red letters that are (alleged to be) Christ's actual words, not some Paulian bashing of people who are less good than he thought he was.

Feel free to quote from any translation of the Bible.

(I *LOVE* "selective Christians"!)

You really do not know when to shut up. Like an old women.

@Atlant, you know, as I do that @Proud Conservative won't find anything close to that quote your baiting him to find. Yet I would point to the examples of social program abuse by those who do not need it and or fraudulantly obtain such generosity as reason for @Proud Conservative's feelings and statements on the matter; and the bible does speak to those who do such things.

Matthews 7:15, "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves."