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Right-to-Work Veto Sustained by NH Legislature

Legislators vote 240-139, failing to override Gov. John Lynch's veto of HB474, the Right-to-Work bill.

 

By a vote of 240-139, the New Hampshire Legislature failed to gather two-thirds of the vote needed to overturn Gov. John Lynch's veto of Right-to-Work legislation, HB474.

The membership heard speeches from Republican union members and supporters of the proposal who said that members of the state employee's union, SEA SEIU 1984, were afraid to speak against the union's political agenda for fear of retribution.

Right-to-Work supporters rallied in the cafeteria early in the morning, wearing bright green "YES!!!" T-shirts while firefighters, teachers, and others, lined up both inside and outside of the Statehouse, requesting that legislators stand with the governor.

Booing and cheering peppered the speeches of Texas Gov. Rick Perry, who spoke before the body and supports Right-to-Work, as well as others supporting the proposal. At one point, House Speaker Bill O'Brien, R-Mont Vernon, called for decorum in the gallery.

After the vote, union members in the gallery cheered the decision while some wearing green T-shirts called for a recount.

Related Topics: American Federation Of Teachers, Americans For Prosperity, Statehouse, Tea Party, Unions, and right-to-work

Edward Dunsel

2:19 pm on Wednesday, November 30, 2011

While its fair to wonder what Rick Perry was doing addressing the NH Legislature before a vote, this was left out of the story:

When asked to comment after the vote, Presidential Candidate Rick Perry said, "You Yankees are durn weird. How'n hell y'all count to 'two-thirds' anyway. Why can't you just do 'one....two.....uh...21....like everyone else."

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john grady

2:48 pm on Wednesday, November 30, 2011

Thank you to the 139 members of the New Hampshire legislature who stood behind the governor and voted to sustain his veto of the so called "right to work for less". I hope that Merrimack Representative Stroud voted to stand with the working men and women of this state and did not fall for this anti-worker and anti-union legislation. I would also hope that some of her Merrimack colleagues joined with her.

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Tom Loosmore Jr.

4:05 pm on Wednesday, November 30, 2011

A few thoughts to ponder :)

A fellow stopped at some Southern state gas station and, after filling his tank, he paid the bill and bought soft drink. He stood by his car to drink his cola and he watched a couple of men working along the roadside. One man would dig a hole two or three feet deep and then move on. The other man came along behind and filled in the hole. While one was digging a new hole, the other was about 25 feet behind filling in the old.  

"Hold it, hold it," he said to the men. "Can you tell me what's going on here with this digging?" 

 "Well, we're union, and we work for the state," one of the men said.

 "But one of you is digging a hole and the other fills it up. You're not accomplishing anything.  Aren't you wasting the county's money?"

 "You don't understand, mister," one of the men said, leaning on his shovel and wiping his brow.  "Normally, There are three of us--me, Rodney and Mike. I dig the hole, Rodney sticks in the tree, and Mike here puts the dirt back.  Union says that just because Rodney's sick, that don't mean that Mike and me shouldn't work!"

No offense, but the beat goes on :)

Rick Watrous

3:01 pm on Wednesday, November 30, 2011

To answer John Grady, Rep. Stroud did vote to sustain the Governor's veto, as did I. For a complete listing of the representatives roll call vote, go to the below link. (A "Nay" vote was against HB 474 and in support of the Governor's veto.)

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/bill_status/Roll_calls/billstatus_rcdetails.aspx?vs=265&sy=2011&lb=H&eb=HB0474&sortoption=&txtsessionyear=2011&txtbillnumber=hb474&ddlsponsors=&lsr=609

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Tom Loosmore Jr.

3:22 pm on Wednesday, November 30, 2011

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, between 2009 and 2010 unions lost 612,000 members - a loss of 339,400 on private payrolls and a loss of 273,000 in government employment.

As a result, the percent of the total workforce that belonged to unions fell from 12.3 in 2009 to 11.9 in 2010. On private payrolls it fell from 7.2 to 6.9 percent and in government employment it fell from 37.4 to 36.2 percent.

The source of the information is the BLS's Current Population Survey. In both instances the small increases were within the margin of error for the survey.

There's a good reason union membership is so much higher in government. Politicians have bartered the dues of public employees for union political support. Maybe public employees are getting tired of being exploited for the political gains of their union bosses and the politicians.

There was a time when things were different. In the mid 1950's more than 35 percent of all employees on private payrolls were union members. But then unions decided to focus more on political power than representing the interests of workers. Not surprisingly union membership has been on the decline ever since.

Unions like to blame their failure on opposition from management but the fact is that the working people of American have rejected the unions' class-warfare, us-against-them approach to employment.

Our state "rulers" are out of touch with reality......reality is on it's way!!!

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Phil_Eng_Amer

3:55 pm on Wednesday, November 30, 2011

It would have been worth it to look at this issue a bit longer, because a lot of the talking points that try to demonize “right-to-work” legislation don’t really hold up when you look closely. Despite the claim that ending forced unionization would drive wages down, there’s little to evidence to support that being the case. Usually there’s little movement in wages one way or another, and if anything, after controlling for a cost of living adjustment, research shows workers in right-to-work states have, if anything, slightly higher wages (http://eng.am/uq7nrk).

In the end what you want, is to ensure all workers are given fair representation. The problem is that public sector unions almost exclusively support one party come election time despite the fact that 37% of their members voted the other way in the most recent election (http://eng.am/uO8Ww7).

Ultimately if these types of trends continue to hold, we shouldn’t be surprised if this debate over this issue arises again.

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Tony Schinella

4:07 pm on Wednesday, November 30, 2011

A large part of the drop in union enrollment in the private sector has to do with globalization. For all the talk of union political force, they were unable to block trade deals when the Democrats held both the executive and legislative branches. Those trade deals then pitted union and non-union private sector workers against workers in other countries who make pennies on the dollar. I've spent nearly two decades studying this issue since I became curious about the Uruguay Rounds in the late 1980s and I have been astounded by some of the things I've seen happening. In many ways, municipal unions, teachers, police, firefighters, etc., are all the unions have left to fight for. And even those jobs are getting chipped away at because private sector earnings have dropped while the cost of government has become more and more expensive. I asked Newt Gingrich about globalization last month, since the U.S. Census stated that median American income has dropped to 1996 levels, a year after GATT/WTO was implemented. He ducked the question a bit and offered ideas on how to make America competitive again. But in reality, we've come full circle from the effects of those disastrous bipartisan trade deals.

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Edward Dunsel

4:25 pm on Wednesday, November 30, 2011

Studies by the Heritage foundaton are not worth the paper they are printed on. The study you cited even said wages are lower, but by accounting for certain variables, they are reallyy higher. Up is down down is up.

The only rationale for right-to-work legislation is that the owners of the business deserve to get an even greater share of the pie at teh expense of the wrokers.

Even putting aside the wages issue, workplace safety is worse in right-to work states, as are many other indicators of health and well-being.
This is all about punishing Unions because they have historically voted for the party that tried to prevent employers from killing their workers.

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ForThePeople

7:10 pm on Wednesday, November 30, 2011

Even the name of the bill is designed to trick people. "Right to work." Most people don't know anything about politics because they don't care, but if you ask anyone if they would vote for it, they probably would just based on the sound of the name. It's the same trick that they used with the "Defense of marriage act." Well, who doesn't want to defend marriage? It sounds good. Until you realize that the former bill is about driving wages down (employers can and will maximize their own profit at anyone's expense) and the latter bill is about bigotry.

It's all the same argument folks. Stop taxing rich people because they will create jobs, and stop making them pay wages to their employees because it's good for jobs- bull! When are people going to stop falling for the rich people's party, the Pied Piper on the right, the Republicans? Some people are calling it class warfare; sounds about right if the rich are trying for yet another break.

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Tony Schinella

8:44 pm on Wednesday, November 30, 2011

A quick Google gave me this link to the text of the bill, if people are interested in actually reading what the bill says and bring themselves above the rhetoric on both sides of the issue: http://e-lobbyist.com/gaits/text/351509

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ForThePeople

9:11 pm on Wednesday, November 30, 2011

Thanks. It was a short read. I stand by my assertion that unionbusting is against the working class. Collective-bargaining is about ensuring the compensation for a group of people.

James Gill

2:51 am on Thursday, December 1, 2011

Unions leave Companys and States . Broke ,
In the end ,look at all our airlines folding up .and goverment contracts costing so much to feed the unions ,that look for ways to get more for less .

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Jan Schmidt

7:35 am on Thursday, December 1, 2011

Unions bring prosperity to states. With more good paying and safe jobs the buying power of these workers goes up, and local small business benefits.

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James Gill

4:06 pm on Thursday, December 1, 2011

Tell that to american air lines and look at eastern air lines ect ,26 air line companys went belly up because of unions .and as well as state goverments why Unions whant more for less and blame the Rich for not getting feeding them more ,

Jane Lang

8:04 am on Thursday, December 1, 2011

These People like rginnh and Regina Concord who never truly identify themselves are either paid by a GOP pac group or just just so far right they have no room to think with common sense. All we can do it get out the true facts and make sure we get people out to vote a sensible way.

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Jeff Hatch

8:31 am on Thursday, December 1, 2011

Jane, or anyone else for that matter. Here's one of my biggest issues when it comes to Unions. If I were to get a job in a unionized shop but didn't want to belong to it, and didn't want their protection. Why should I be forced to pay their dues and join that union.

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Jan Schmidt

8:41 am on Thursday, December 1, 2011

Tell you what, Jeff. You do the research. Why? Because then you'll believe that a union is much more than a group that just takes you money. Its much more.

And what the heck!!!
YOU ARE NOT FORCED TO JOIN A UNION!!!!!
You aren't a moron, I've read some very smart posts of yours, why do you repeat this lie for stupid people????

Edward Dunsel

8:41 am on Thursday, December 1, 2011

You dont want their protection? So you want to freely negotiate for the right to earn less, or get no insurance or days off?

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Jeff Hatch

8:54 am on Thursday, December 1, 2011

I'm not trying to be a jerk and I'll be up front. Thew last time I worked in a union shop was 32yrs ago. So I'm trying to figure this out. Unions do have a purpose, I got and realize that. I'm not saying I agree with the bill as written either. You say I'm not forced to join or (I'm guessing here) accept their protection. But would I be still required to pay union dues if I didn't want to be a member or their protection?

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Hilltopper

9:29 am on Friday, February 10, 2012

At least I know my Union Dues weren't used for Jimmy Hoffa's Funeral Arragements

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Tony Schinella

10:42 am on Thursday, December 1, 2011

@Jan: One of the anti-Right-to-Work Reps. yesterday stated, paraphrasing, If you don't want to belong to the union, you don't have to, just don't accept the government job. Is that really the best way to look at things?
As well, while on the topic of government jobs, I know that when I was out of work in 2007, I applied for two positions with the state that I was more than qualified fo. But because I was not a current state employee, I was told I was not going to get an interview for the positions. Is that fair, just, or the best option for government? Shouldn't those jobs be open to everyone so the most qualified candidates can apply?

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Jan Schmidt

10:52 am on Thursday, December 1, 2011

I can't imagine a business office running well if it was constantly worrying about the next election bringing in people who want to place their nephew into management. This would happen if public employees didn't unionize, and every 2 years we'd have all the R's out and the D's in - and then vice versa- is that what you want?

And I have interviewed for jobs where when I asked what the likelihood of being called back was answered honestly - that they always hire within, but advertised outside anyway for several reasons - one of which was to look prosperous to the community!

Is this fair?

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Tony Schinella

11:24 am on Thursday, December 1, 2011

No, it's not fair. But the difference is that it is a private company vs. a public entity, like government. The public entity should be accessible to anyone and everyone; the private company can hire anyone they want to hire and often don't choose wisely.

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Tony Schinella

10:48 am on Thursday, December 1, 2011

@Jane: Why is there some assumption that people who post on any website don't believe what they believe? That is almost as ridiculous as the people who were berating the firefighters at the Statehouse, wondering if they were getting paid for hanging around, holding signs. People have their own opinions and that's what is so great about our political system.
I would add, the assumption that the Right-to-Work motivation was foisted on the state from out-of-state interests is also ridiculous. The bill had a number of local sponsors who are very conservative. In the cafeteria before the vote, it was clear that these were local folks. Many wore their Rep. badges, many were retired, and many were people I've seen at other Republican events (I know this because they saw my Patch badge and began to be a bit more reserved).

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Jan Schmidt

11:01 am on Thursday, December 1, 2011

the bill was a product of ALEC

and there are people who post on sites like this who either spread lies because they believe what they've been told or because its their job.

for instance - did you know that it is illegal to force people to join unions?
a real and actual Federal Law! If you have proof that this law is broken, you need to turn the issue over to the Feds to procesute. Yet over and over we see this lie on comment pages. YOU figure out why!

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Tony Schinella

11:26 am on Thursday, December 1, 2011

@Jan, I don't know how long you've been in the Granite State, but the issues around right-to-work and municipal government unions have been around since I was a child - more than three decades ago! Trust me, I come from a union household.

Jan Schmidt

10:54 am on Thursday, December 1, 2011

@Jeff.

No Jeff - you pay a fee that defrays the cost the union incurs
in negotiations and other protections, such as a lawyer if you need one.

The union is required to protect you --- the fee is not an attempt to shake you down, its a real cost to them and a real benefit to you.

You pay dues if you choose to join the union itself - and then you receive other benefits. I just went to a site that explained the goodies you can get and the things you have access to.

Honest, the people who tell you are forced are lying to you. O'Brian got his marching orders from ALEC on this, and they are a paid by corporations to write laws for states like ours... ripe for the picking. Don't let them lie to you Jeff - you're worth more than that!

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Jeff Hatch

12:08 pm on Thursday, December 1, 2011

I'm smart enough to know most so called grass root efforts are not grass root efforts at all. Reguardless of what side of the fence they start on.

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James Gill

4:15 pm on Thursday, December 1, 2011

Unions hold a strangle holt on production and company relations .Unions are now to large to control why, Money and Greed set in .Unions belive there is no end to the money flow untll the company goes broke or a state .by state .There demand more money for less production .less productin means the company cant pay its bills in end they all go broke .

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