No Knock-Out Punches in Final Debate

Patch polled influential New Hampshire Republicans and Democrats to find out who they felt won the debate.

No knock-out punches were thrown and there was no clear winner in Monday's final presidential debate, according to a flash poll of influential members of New Hampshire's Republican and Democratic parties.

"The debate is meaningless and will not impact the race either way," said one Republican.

"Mitt Romney didn't lose tonight and the President didn't score a knock-out," said another. "A draw is no help to the President and he will not see a bounce."

But one Democrat responding to our survey said Romney needed to do more on Monday night.

"Mitt Romney looked and acted like he was protecting an invisible lead, and in my 40+ years involved in politics I've learned you can't just try to run out the clock."

Patch tapped our panels of Republicans and Democrats who hold office, former elected officials, candidates or party activists in two polls conducted immediately after Monday's debate ended. Patch received responses from 30 Republicans and 20 Democrats. The poll is not scientific.

Nearly all of the Democratic respondents felt President Obama won Monday's final debate. Ninety percent said Obama won the debate by a wide margin, with 5 percent saying he won by a slim margin.

"Obama is back!" said one influential Democrat.

Several Democrats commented on how they felt Romney was saying whatever he could to get people to vote for him.

"Mitt Romney will say or do anything to get votes," said one. "Whether it's true or not!"

"Romney is now saying anything to appeal to the widest number of voters, despite his previous position statements," said another.

Of the GOP respondents, exactly half said Romney won "by a wide margin," and another 27 percent said he won by "a slim margin." That's an increase from the second debate, when only 40 percent said he won by a wide margin.

Several influential Republicans commented on Romney's composure.

"Mitt Romney looked Presidential tonight," said one.

"The debate seemed as if Romney was president and Obama was attacking Romney's presidency," said another.

Still another Republican respondent seemed utterly deflated after the debate, saying simply, "I certainly won't be voting for either of these two losers."

Most Democrats and Republicans responding to our survey felt the national media would declare Obama the winner of Monday's debate.

Ninety-five percent of Democrats said they felt the national media would say Obama won. Sixty percent of Republican respondents felt Obama would be declared the winner, while only 30 percent felt the media would say Romney won.

Ninety percent of Democratic respondents felt Obama improved his chances of winning the Granite State with Tuesday's debate performance. Forty percent said they strongly agreed, with another 50 percent saying they somewhat agreed.

On the Republican side, 80 percent of those responding said they felt that Romney's debate performance makes it more likely he will win New Hampshire on Nov. 6.

When asked about the most memorable moment from the debate, Democrats most often cited Obama's "horses and bayonets" zinger.

Republicans most frequently mentioned Romney pointing out that Obama went on an "apology tour" around the world. The Romney campaign even launched a new television ad this morning attempting to capitalize on that quip.

Polls in recent weeks have shown Obama and Romney deadlocked in New Hampshire, though a University of New Hampshire poll released just prior to Monday's debate showed Obama with an 8 percent lead.

The Red and Blue Granite surveys

Our surveys are not a scientific random sample of any larger population but rather an effort to listen to a swath of influential local Republican and Democratic activists, party leaders and elected officials in New Hampshire. All of these individuals have agreed to participate in the surveys, although not all responded to this week's questions. Surveys were conducted between Oct. 22 and Oct. 23, 2012.

Patch will be conducting Red Granite and Blue Granite surveys throughout 2012 in hopes of determining the true sentiment of Republicans and Democrats on the ground in New Hampshire. If you are an activist, party leader or elected official and would like to take part in a weekly surveys that lasts just a few minutes, please email Regional Editor Marc Fortier at marc.fortier@patch.com.

salemvoter October 25, 2012 at 03:38 PM
Atlant, you are partially correct. Have you ever been to the manufacturing plants in China, Southeast Asia, or Mexico? Most are very automated. Yes, there is still hands on assembly but automation is amazing. I travel frequently to Asia on business and have been in the plants. There is more automation there then in the plants I visit in the US. One problem is the US is basically built out. Everyone has 2 or 3 TV's, cell phones, computers, most in the US has a washer and dryer, a refrigerator, one or two automobiles, burger joints in every city. In Asia, the middle class is just beginning to grow and acquire these comforts we take for granted. The population in China and India dwarf that of the US. The growing middle class in China and India are on the way to become the largest purchasing group in the world for computers, TV's, cell phones, washers,dryers, autos, microwave ovens, etc... As such, the factories look ahead and locate there because that is where the majority of there consumers will be. In China, there is a mass migration from the farms, where they work 12-15 hours a day tending to a crop with no guarentee of making any money on the crop, to the cities to work in factories where they are guarenteed a weekly paycheck and dorm to live in, with heat and hot water. Much like the industrial revolution in the US in the 1800's.
Percival October 25, 2012 at 03:39 PM
O’DONNELL: What concerns do you have about Governor Romney’s foreign policy? POWELL: Well, it’s hard to fix it. I mean, it’s a moving target. One day he has a certain strong view about staying in Afghanistan, but then on Monday night he agrees with the withdrawal. Same thing in Iraq. On almost every issue that was discussed on Monday night, Governor Romney agreed with the President with some nuances. But this is quite a different set of foreign policy views than he had earlier in the campaign. And my concern, which I’ve expressed previously in a public way, is that sometimes I don’t sense that he has thought through these issues as thoroughly as he should have, and he gets advice from his campaign staff that he then has to adjust to modify as he goes along.
Percival October 25, 2012 at 03:39 PM
ROSE: Are you concerned about the people that are advising Governor Romney? POWELL: I think there’s some very, very strong neo-conservative views that are presented by the Governor that I have some trouble with. There are other issues as well, not just the economy and foreign policy. I’m more comfortable with President Obama and his administration when it comes to issues like what are we going to do about climate, what are we going to do about immigration? What are we going to do about education? Lots of things like that. I do not want to see the new Obamacare plan thrown off the table. It has issues, you have to fix some things in that plan. But what I see when I look at that plan is 30 million of our fellow citizens will now be covered by insurance. And I think that’s good. We’re one of the few nations in the world, with our size, population and wealth, that does not have universal health care.
salemvoter October 25, 2012 at 03:50 PM
But, to settle on a norm of 8% unemployment is bad policy. The US still leads the world in research and development, we still need transportation, still need to eat, still need health care, still need energy, still need innovation, still need nuts and bolts, still need housing, still need someone to pick up the trash, etc....What has Washington done to maintain factories in the US? Recently, Boeing spent almost 1B to open a plant in South Carolina, and Boeing was sued by the machinist union to prevent them from opening the plant. The NLRB and Nancy Pelosi supported the machinist union. And from the NYT "In what may be the strongest signal yet of the new pro-labor orientation of the National Labor Relations Board under President Obama, the agency filed a complaint Wednesday seeking to force Boeing to bring an airplane production line back to its unionized facilities in Washington State instead of moving the work to a nonunion plant in South Carolina." It is highly unusual for the federal government to seek to reverse a corporate decision as important as the location of plant. But ever since a Democratic majority took control of the five-member board after Mr. Obama’s election, the board has signaled that it would seek to adopt a more liberal, pro-union tilt after years of pro-employer decisions under President Bush. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/21/business/21boeing.html?_r=0
JIM October 25, 2012 at 03:56 PM
nothing to pause about, powell made it perfectly clear in 08 it was all about the color of obamas skin and has nothing to do with party or country, read between the lines obama was a do nothing senator with an intelligent teleprompter and a few catchy lines in 08 when powell endorsed him ...today in 2012 obamas policies are all failures, bankrupting our country and you want us to pause and reflect on why this black man supports the other black man.
darknyt74 October 25, 2012 at 04:11 PM
I bet Biden can name all 57 states
Percival October 25, 2012 at 04:24 PM
JIM, not that your comment deserves consideration, but if Powell was all about color of skin he would NOT be a Republican. You've helped Liberals prove once again how half the country can still be voting for Romney after all the moronic missteps - idiocy has a Party and will stick with Republicans regardless of how breathtakingly AWFUL they are to your own best interests.
Percival October 25, 2012 at 04:27 PM
Welcome to the world of Republicans, salem. They are the ones, after all, who got us here - and they are the ones who refuse to take steps to get us out of their mess. Your guys voted against putting up to 2 million people back to work - they killed the Jobs Bill. They also voted against our returning vets by killing a Military Veterans Jobs Bill. The day you spend some of gakking explaining how you support THAT is the day I might actually think you have some kajones rather than cow bells.
Percival October 25, 2012 at 04:31 PM
By the way, being anti-union is the Republican M.O. for squashing workers. Not surprising that you'd cite a perfect example of big corporate overstep against workers in this country. I'm betting you'd support Bain's moving business to China, too....and the tax cuts Romney supports (and benefits from) for doing so.
salemvoter October 25, 2012 at 04:48 PM
Wasn't the stimulus a jobs bill, with the President saying it was needed to get unemploymentt below 8%. The CBO issued a report saying each job created due to the stimulus bill cost $278,000. After the results of the Stimulus bill what would make you think the Presidents Job Bill to give 2 million more people jobs would work? And, in oct 2011, harry Reid, a Democrat and majority leader of the Senate, blocked a vote on President Obama job bill. http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2011/oct/4/senate-democrats-forced-block-obama-jobs-bill/ http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/185455-reid-blocks-mcconnells-call-for-an-immediate-vote-on-obamas-jobs-plan As for the Veterans job bill. We should do everything we can to assist veterans seeking work. Introduction of it 8 weeks before the election is suspicious
JIM October 25, 2012 at 05:12 PM
if obama wasent hiding the fact that he is a fraud and got student aid as a foreign student and traveled under a foreign passport he would take up Trumps offer of 5 million and release his college and passport records and donate the money to the families of the Americans he let die in benghazi. When the coward in command learned that our embassy was under attack, he took immediate action ....he brushed his teeth , got in his jammies and went to bed with mooch, and as obama slept like a baby dreaming of one liners to spew to his drooling fans on his comedy circuit campaign our Ambassador and the seals fought for their lives for seven hours ,but obama would not send them help for fear of a ''black hawk down'' scenario, he figured the 4 Americans were expendable and not worth risking his reelection over
Percival October 25, 2012 at 05:15 PM
Obama never promised the stimulus would keep the jobless rate under 8% and it's been proven a false claim over and over again as Romney and his cohorts continue to stump on it. The projection of the stimulus working to keep that rate under 8% was made in January 2009, and those projections relied on prevailing economic models that quickly proved to have underestimated the depths of the recession at that time. Bottom line, you're wrong, and citing rightwing Moonie Times to prove your false claim doesn't help. As for the Veterans your side claims to care SOOOOO much about and support Romney who makes NOOOOOO mention of vets in any of his speeches/debates, and most assuredly must know most vets are included in that 47% he dismisses -- there should be NO time limits as to when that vote goes through. The fact that your Senate partisans couldn't see their way clear to supporting it, however, DOES in fact look suspiciously like an effort to keep good things from happening on Obama's watch. How cynical and awful of the Rethuglican Party.
Percival October 25, 2012 at 05:17 PM
Oops! Did I say "Rethuglicans" instead of Republicans? Freudian slip.
Percival October 25, 2012 at 05:21 PM
Well, I see you are one of the only remaining Republicans - aside from halfwit Hannity - that takes Trump's hair piece seriously. And really, JIM - it's interesting that you'd rant 'n rave about the Donald's ridiculous claim while the reality and truth department shows us that Romney took a nice loooong vacation in Paris while his contemporaries fought the war in Vietnam that Romney supported and protested FOR. Yeah - that's right. Romney held a sign protesting FOR the war he couldn't be bothered to fight. Oh, but he did *serve* his church - always need more support for magic undies, don't ya know.
Percival October 25, 2012 at 05:23 PM
Speaking of the Donald, this was on the Leno Show last night: What’s real estate mogul Donald Trump got against President Barack Obama? The president says it’s an old grudge that goes back — way, way back — to their childhood days in Kenya. ‘‘We had constant run-ins on the soccer fields,’’ Obama told ‘‘Tonight Show’’ host Jay Leno during a tongue-in-cheek knock on Trump Wednesday night. ‘‘He wasn’t very good and resented it. When we finally moved to America, I thought it would be over.’’
JIM October 25, 2012 at 05:24 PM
percy the parrobot, you can keep spewing your made up crap but those of us who know our history, know it was the republicans who fought for the black mans equality and rights not you commiecrats, when the republicans freed the black man from the southern plantations the commiecrats figured a new way to make them slaves again and put them on the govt plantations. oh and atlint dont bother with your dixiecrats became republicans crap it dont work
Percival October 25, 2012 at 05:36 PM
JIM, what color is the sky in your world? Best of luck, man. I mean. You'll need it.
JIM October 25, 2012 at 05:50 PM
every voter in America should watch this film , it is the true agenda of the democrat liberal left http://vimeo.com/user2695043/agenda
Percival October 25, 2012 at 06:04 PM
I'll save readers the pain of slogging through an hour and a half of poorly written and executed scaremongering. This film is meant to keep the far right in extremist, sheep mode while everyone else will basically ignore it because it's extremist sheep propaganda. Fox News might even backpedal from such sop, but you've got to figure Glenn Beck bawled croc tears throughout. I worry for you, JIM.
salemvoter October 25, 2012 at 06:05 PM
Percival, you are correct. president Obama himself did not say that unemploymnet would be under 8% if the Stimulus passed BUT, his Economic advisors who drafted the plan DID and they show a graph on page 5 of the report of the impact with and without the Stimulus. In their graph unemploymnet peaks at 8% if the Stimulus is passed. This is the exact plan the President sold to Congress and the American people. Will he take responsibility for anything? http://www.economy.com/mark-zandi/documents/The_Job_Impact_of_the_American_Recovery_and_Reinvestment_Plan.pdf Once again, you Dems cover for this guy by saying, he himself didn't say it.
JIM October 25, 2012 at 06:12 PM
atlint , hazel nuts/percival , Lil joe da hack, mike healey ,dave loser , for the sheeple , jan , tammy ,watts you are the useful idiots that this film describes.
Atlant October 25, 2012 at 06:35 PM
JIM: That's right, we're all wrong and you're right. Well, except for the childish way you spell our names in the hopes of getting us angry. But we're liberals; we sympathize with those persons who are "limited" and try to help them rather than constantly attacking them.
Tammy October 25, 2012 at 07:25 PM
Jim-I am watching it and have a whole page of notes just on the first 13 minutes. What first stands out is the framing of the "left" and the issues themselves as being a choice between just two. Free enterprise or socialist Left is Ignorant or evil Left will use Violence or inside subversion Cohabitation or marriage Business or environment Religion or homosexuality Judeo Christian or State People, in general, do not view the world in such black and white terms. Also, the term "it takes a village" has to do with community not the government. I think framing multiple groups of people in the US as an enemy to be dealt with is dangerous and unamerican in itself. I can only imagine what is in the rest of the movie...
Percival October 25, 2012 at 07:39 PM
Salem, you've missed the point again - the numbers that guideline was based on was bogus from the start. Bush's economic meltdown was WORSE than first thought, changing the stats all the way down the line. Bottom line, a stimulus would never have been needed in an Al Gore economy, you can count on that. Bush screwed things up, with Paul Ryan's blessings, so that we are now having THIS conversation about the fallout of really bad Republican policies. That alone should make everyone shudder at the thought of Bush 2.0 Romney.
JIM October 25, 2012 at 07:56 PM
atlint you poor little tool, its not done to get you angry ..its just my way of saying that I have zero respect for you and your communist manifesto , zero respect for the commie in command that you idolise and worship and zero respect for all you progressive communists stand for
JIM October 25, 2012 at 08:04 PM
what ever percy, but we will never see the commie coward in command take Trumps money, if it was me , I would want to take that loud mouths check so fast it would be donated before the ink dried, but the un American fraud obama cant do it because it would prove what we have know all along.
JIM October 25, 2012 at 09:13 PM
percy what are you babbling about ''the Donalds ridiculous claim '' he didn't claim anything, he said he would donate 5 million dollars to any charity obama named, if obama would unseal his school records and passport records , there is no ''claim'' here ,its a challenge ,its a chance for obama to ''redistribute'' the evil rich guys money, if obama wasent a fraud he would shut Trump up once and for all....but he wont , because he is a FRAUD
JIM October 25, 2012 at 09:20 PM
tammy no matter how many notes you take you ''useful idiots '' will never understand or admit you are the tools of the communist party, your to blind and stupid to admit you have been used like a cheap party girl
Tammy October 25, 2012 at 10:08 PM
Jim-If we both consider each other useful idiots of some nefarious agenda, the future is bleak. In order to accept the information in that video, one would have never read a history book or taken a history class. The 20th century and the many needless deaths were caused by wars between authoritarian regimes, not between the left and left as the video tries to frame such conflicts.
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